Posts by Fred E Hathaway

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LESSONS FROM HISTORY

by Doug Mason in

lessons from history .

i have a few reasons for providing the information that follows: .

* a very recent posting mentioned eschatologists of the 19th century (1800s) who provided ctr with his ideas on the interpretation of last-day prophecies.

Fred E Hathaway

I agree wholeheartedly. The physical man has his heart set on material, earthly rewards while the spiritual man does not seek these things.

The Master Worker looked down from above and valued the human being, though a creation of flesh and bones.

I think it is humorous that you ignore the fact that the prophets of old did state that they spoke for Jehovah and did state that the prophecies were infallible. You have nothing to controvert my argument with so you reduce yourself to rather pedestrian poetry in lieu of discussion.

In the Bible we see both the false and the true, as elsewhere the spirits must be tested. I see the articles in the WT like articles written during the 1st century CE. Some thoughts may make the new scrolls, while the rest may remain on the cutting room floor. The wheat is still not completely separated from the chaff yet, except for those in Jehovah's association. Stars differ in brightness, even as do humans (whether of the Anointed [John, or may I say Messiah/Christ]-class, or of the other sheep [of which the great crowd is a subset]).

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"Trinitarians" how can you "lie" to the truth? Is truth a person?

by booker-t in

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i was talking to this jw's elder who i believe has to be the best debater against the "trinity" doctrine that jw's have he brought up several point which i feel needs to be addressed by trinitarians.

first of all he argured that acts 5:3-4 about lying to the holy spirit in no way makes the holy spirit a person any more that "lying to the truth" in james makes "truth" a person.

i have never seen that verse before about lying to the truth.

Fred E Hathaway

Trinitarians can be Catholic, Protestant, or Hindu. They believe in various tales

like, Rudolph the Red-nose Reindeer and the Spirit of Christmas Cheer.

Some go naked and let their skin do. Other deny the need for the ransom and scales.

Yet Jehovah is God, the God of All Prayer. Sheep will feed well, while the goats get thin air.

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LESSONS FROM HISTORY

by Doug Mason in

lessons from history .

i have a few reasons for providing the information that follows: .

* a very recent posting mentioned eschatologists of the 19th century (1800s) who provided ctr with his ideas on the interpretation of last-day prophecies.

Fred E Hathaway

The physical man and the spiritual man, how different their perspectives,

how differently they see things, how different their objectives.

While the physical man sees just the flaw, the spiritual man stands in awe.

Two men they are as they discuss, just as two ants might be to us.

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

to vitty: Yes. (Matthew 24:47) I feel that I am included in the "master's belongings", even if others would say "I'm a liar". (I had to get us back on thread, even if it is a bit of a stretch, once again.)

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

aikichristian, I'd like to add this list to yours.

http://www.capoeiranj.com/capoeira.htm THE BENEFITS OF PRACTICING CAPOEIRA
* Flexibility
* Mobility
* Rhythm
* Power
* Endurance
* Development of another language
* Gain a singing voice
* Cardio-vascular fitness
* Spatial awareness
* Provides a personal creative outlet
* Gain self-confidence
* Foster cultural identity

These "physical" benefits are not "spiritual" benefits, when they go against "spiritual" direction. (Let the reader use discernment.)

These are all in harmony with bible principles. The Watchtower does have the habit of "demonizing" African culture in general.

Cultures which don't know Jehovah are backed by the demons and Satan. It makes them demonized already.

What do you expect when sequestered ancient white men who hate dancing, music and sports call all the shots?

If you ever were to a JW wedding reception, and probably all of the "sequestered ancient white men (and their white/non-white companions)" have been, you'd have seen plenty of dancing. Music is very common, both in any Kingdom Hall, at wedding receptions, and elsewhere in JW culture. Sports are quite common too. The boundaries of taste are just set higher, since Jehovah's ways are higher than our own tend to be.

It's acknowledged on the site above that Capoeira *used to* be used for fighting, but this is not what they teach or perform *today*. They have some cool videos on the home page; looks like a super workout and no one's getting hurt or, LOL, "preparing for war."

~Sue

Looks can be deceiving. Jehovah reads the heart. A spiritual person looks for that too.

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

If you're a Catholic, and she's supposed to be a Jehovah's Witness, then Jehovah's name is very much involved. Both groups use Jehovah's name in their worship as so are accountable to Jehovah for how they use that name. One is not to mix true worship and false. Syncretism is forbidden in the Holy Scriptures, since Jehovah is a God exacting excusive devotion.

When the Watchtower gives a straight ruling, it stands. Jehovah wants a united people, after all.

If Jehovah's Witnesses are so worried about men learning about war, then why do they concern themselves with "spiritual battles", sin, and disharmony in the congregation?

Ephesians 6:12 gives a concise answer.

What 1 Tim 4:5 says is true, but it doesn't dismiss bodily training altogether nor does it discourage it. Martial-arts can be used for the glory of Jehovah in the following ways:
the increased physical fitness improves one's health and ability to perform the work of Jehovah. For example, you can do more door-to-door ministry, carry more pamphlets, and not get as tired as you once were.
the disclipine and perseverence necessary in martial arts can be applied to your spiritual growth, therefore making you a stronger and more durable believer. Also, at some point, you may be asked to teach newcomers teachniques they know nothing about. This can be applied to in evangelization...it improves your ability to teach!
the self-defense skills will help you preserve your body from harm and even help defend your congregation members from attack as well. This will help you continue item #1.
certain philosophies of martial arts are in-line with Bible teaching. The re-emphasis of such "good" things will only be of benefit.
Understanding and experience with physical combat can aid in your spiritual struggles as well.

This is false reasoning because Jehovah can give His people the power beyond what is normal; they are His fellow-workers, after all, and do not need to be taught the dark side to overcome it. Sound thinking ability often avoids a confrontation. Preventation is better than cure, after all.

If you're a JW, and ever had block an attack, defend yourself, spank your kids, kick a dog, rough-house/horse-play, reenacted a scene from a martial arts movie, hit an object in frustration....then guess what?
you used a technique found in nearly all martial arts styles! And if you think spanking your kids is not a MA technique....look at a Kung-fu book and get back to me....its an open-handed strike.

Jehovah's Witnesses don't "have to" do anything; they have free will.

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Is practicing Capoeira wrong/bad/discouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses?

by aikichristian in

my girlfriend used to be an avid capoeira practicioner for over year.

she has reaped many benefits from it: increased physical fitness, flexibility, some self-defense skills, and stress-relief.

she enjoyed it.. unfortunately, an article came out in the spanish version of the "watchtower" ("atalaya" in spanish) essentially saying that capoeira should not be practiced because it has some spirituality stuff in it that was wrong.

Fred E Hathaway

It is the spirit of/operating the thing, not the thing itself, that is often the problem. JWs have a spiritual warfare, not a physical one.

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

So, you're saying that your doll is a liar? It looks more like a lier to me. Spelling makes a big difference sometimes.

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

For me, discipline has been much kinder than that. But then, I'm a "reformed" liar.

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I'm a Liar

by Perry in

so, i'm downtown quite early the other morning while still dark and i see a man holding an awake.

so, i pull over and wave him over.

after a few words of cordiality, i ask him why jehovah's witnesses teach that jesus returned invisibly in 1914 when jesus himself said this:in matthew 24:.

Fred E Hathaway

Liars raise many straw men, until the straw catches fire.